(00:04) and my eyes are red as hail oh i could hear family right there i don’t hear anything just for a second welcome boys and babes to our little life giving podcast we so greatly live our bliss through it’s the magic hour and by now you likely already know us but i’m mercedes terrell and with me my majestic partner and shine jade bryce hello friends we have a really special show for you today with a woman who’s been a bright light for me with the work that she does yes huge fans yeah she’s an author

(00:54) podcast host retreat leader transformational life coach and an expert on accomplishing energetic agility and balance assisting those willing and ready to learn how to cultivate deeper connections with their divine feminine or masculine energy bodies through radical yet understandable practices her work and story has been featured in the huffington post teen vogue vice men’s health people and abc news nightline to name a few her passion for her work comes through in her articulate and captivating words making understanding and utilizing the

(01:29) knowledge she bestows incredibly accessible she bravely and openly shares her story and her struggles on her own light giving podcast called mind body musings a beautifully illuminated soul who shares her wisdom and love through her words and actions the goddess maddie moon yay let’s set my mic down here are you sure it’s gonna be high enough um yeah i’m gonna set it on something but it blocks my because this thing is so small it blocks my view of the left i know i don’t need a whole new set up so bad i’m just

(02:10) i just want this thing to work so that i can so we can afford new stuff i know we’re really digging in deep um [Music] okay um do you need to grab something let me add her to the call oh wait we don’t need to add her just yet um and uh i see what i can grab okay i’m gonna grab this photo box real quick holy [ __ ] where are you today in your closet what where are you today in my closet oh i just hung stuff up okay i was gonna say it looks different

(03:13) all right cool all right now let me just double check everything [Music] um cool um all right so just give her a call it’s only a minute away um let me find her i wouldn’t call her early because probably she’s probably meditating or who knows what she does before her podcast yeah i just want to make sure i can find her thing though okay madeline moon i don’t think i follow her yet i need to yes all right so i’ve at least added her i just haven’t hit call yet okay but at least we know that

(04:16) it works um what’s her instagram huh do you know her instagram yeah it’s maddie moon we follow her on the magic hour okay everyone that we interview we follow on there let’s see oh she’s so good at this and she’d been doing it so long i thought she’d have like a bigger following for some reason let me see 25 000 that’s a lot for a single co-host i mean a single like podcast though right what do you mean that just well i don’t know what she was doing before this so i don’t know no i i think this is all that

(05:03) she’s known for well uh i don’t know what her dad i wonder what her downloads are and whatnot yeah i mean she has a good amount of ads because she’s really great at it yeah but if you go um oh she interviewed lisa billy yeah i saw that i put her on the list to reach out to yeah for sure so if you oh no not on this one sometimes on the bottom of her thing she puts who she advertised for and one time there’s a list of like four different things so she got 331 ratings like our sponsors you mean yeah i i wanted to listen to how to not

(05:47) abandon yourself in a relationship yeah i saw that i was listening yesterday to um why i listened to her her eating when i call her intuitive eating which is whoa i want to do a whole series on that well this guy uh that i’m writing the outline for right now peter craig he specializes in that perfect he’s a um food psychologist perfect i need to let me tell you his exact title um he has a certification in the psychology happened did that happen to you or you just on my side it like blanks out it happened to

(06:25) me okay i don’t know why that does that hello hi hi let’s see are we using video today um just so that we can like see you but we’re not going to like post the video so you don’t have to worry about your background or anything like that just one second then okay get my nice little camera set up we’re both in our closet so it’s yeah the best place the quietest quietest place in our house i have two toddlers so in the next room yeah the other day i put a mattress against the door to try to muffle any sound

(07:13) okay here we go hey oh hi there you are my mic is like down low so often times when i’m talking i’m kind of hunching okay that’s kind of how mine is too no worries um you look so angelic yeah it’s the white shirt yeah and your room is so good such good lighting um so did you already hit record on audacity i haven’t i will now okay yeah if you want to hit record mercedes you’re recording right yep i’m good too okay then we’ll go ahead and intro you and then just start the interview wonderful

(07:51) can’t wait yeah okay she is an author podcast host retreat leader transformational life coach and an expert on accomplishing energetic agility and balance assisting those willing and ready to learn how to cultivate deeper connections with their divine feminine or masculine energy bodies through radical yet understandable practices her work and story have been featured in the huffington post teen vogue vice men’s health people and abc’s abc news nightline to name a few her passion for her work comes through

(08:30) in her articulate and captivating words making understanding and utilizing the knowledge she bestows incredibly accessible she bravely and openly shares her story and her struggles on her own life-giving podcast called mind body musings a beautifully illuminated soul who shares her wisdom and love through her words and actions the goddess maddie moon yay hey thank you so much that was a beautiful introduction thank you that’s all you girl yeah so maddie we’re super excited to have you on the show obviously we are huge

(09:05) fans and by the way you’re like my articulation goals that’s what i tell you yeah maddie’s my articulation goals she’s so good at articulating everything on your show and i’m so excited for our listeners to hear you today so um you have such a strong and relatable story and the fact that you share you know not only your teachings with the world but also that you share your struggles so openly makes you incredibly heroic in my eyes so maybe you could walk us through your story or your hero’s journey if you

(09:37) would absolutely so first thank you for saying that about articulation i so appreciate that really that’s i mean for someone for for someone who wants to be sharing really in-depth sometimes confusing sometimes triggering messages it’s really it’s really touching to hear that it comes across in a way that speaks to you both so thank you all right so the place that i generally like to start my my journey it begins i would say in my upbringing because i was raised in a very kind and compassionate household but one

(10:10) that was very closely tied to their religious beliefs of right and wrong their version of right and wrong and what was allowed inside of the box and everything outside of the box we were not going to touch we’re not going to look at and for for me i believe that we are all spirits having a human experience and so as children we are born as spirits already spirits who are explorative and curious and to be born in a way that you automatically could not explore could not be curious with so many different areas you know finding

(10:41) your own spiritual path like that wasn’t allowed and just a lot of things if if either one of you were raised in any kind of religious household you understand that there is a lot of black and white kind of thinking and for some people it works like amazingly um but since i was and i always have been very fiery very passionate very um excited and explorative it was a lot of pressure for me to feel like so many different avenues i could want to go down were not allowed so it felt like there were parts of me that were not allowed parts of me

(11:14) that were inherently bad and because of this i needed a way to cope to feel safe to feel in control like most of us do when things feel out of control we don’t feel like we are liked we are you know people pleasing we are doing good so i always wanted to make sure that everyone approved of me i was doing good god loved me i was following everything by the book and to deal with this pressure i needed a very quick and easy way to feel and control and for me that was losing weight exercise addiction i had body

(11:47) dysmorphia so numbers numbers really became my mechanism for feeling that instant sensation of okay everything is fine so if i counted my calories or counted the miles i walked or counted how much weight i lost as long as i was counting i felt kind of safe i also had ocd in in multiple ways like if um we had a house cleaning service and as a child if they came in and moved something around i would have a panic attack if they moved my picture frame two inches to the left i wasn’t in control of that so i would just combust and explode and my

(12:27) parents didn’t understand this they just thought like she’s got some issues you know but she’ll work she’ll work it out and that’s a very it’s a very old way of thinking right just like toughens through it’s a very toxic masculine mindset of just like move through it get over it stop being so emotional um yeah so then i went into and i’m sure we can go into this in further detail but i went into um i had multiple disordered eating patterns i went into bodybuilding which was another way for me to control control

(12:57) control but this way i could eat and i could count obsessively and i got people’s admiration i was i had this feeling of self-righteousness for being the one person at the party not drinking or not eating tacos like i can’t go on a date i am better than you i don’t eat date food i’m gonna stay inside with my meal plan and my my 6am workout which that was what was fueling me for so long until i just became so exhausted with running myself into the ground my adrenals saying no to everything no to

(13:31) friend dates no to romantic dates no to simply liking myself i wasn’t allowed to like myself i was living in the land of pain because pleasure i was i was better than that like i didn’t need pleasure such a twisted way of thinking but as long as i stayed in this land of pain i felt like i had a reason to feel better which my ego felt separate my ego felt higher than everyone else because i was so into this toxic masculine mindset of do more be more accomplished so i’ll stop there i am i relate to that a lot i i was

(14:08) adopted into a really religious family at uh right before i turned 16 and it was it was pretty much cult-like um everything was very black and white like you said everything was definitive and i feel it’s made me kind of a controlling person still not as like the extent you were saying is how i was in my early 20s and i’ve let myself be free now but i still tend to be more controlling in my home of like we have to stay on the schedule we eat at 11 and we go to bed at this time and as far as with my kids

(14:42) and i am still really controlling when it comes to our health like we have to eat green we have to drink our green juice before we get anything else in our belly and no alcohol and and stuff like that um what what what is like your um when that way of thinking enters your brain how do you like help yourself relinquish control yeah especially with your partners like i hate to be the controlling like you’ve had one too many drinks you know like um that tends to be my bad habit yeah so you’re saying controlling others

(15:18) you have like the the thing of controlling others uh my household i guess all for the better but it’s still when it’s that controlling it’s not enjoyable for anybody yeah i think that in those moments you really just want to tap into the what is it feeding underneath because it can vary from time to time for sometimes your desire for there to be less drinks or for a green juice to come first it might be coming from this really pure wholesome place of i want everyone to feel good i want everyone to feel good i

(15:51) am your mother i am the nurturer if that’s what you feel i would almost say like don’t second guess that if it’s really coming from this place of warmth and love and nurturing my question would be what would happen if that didn’t go the way that you wanted could you then be yeah so then that’s the place of can we can we step into a place of ease so i love thinking about these in terms of the feminine and masculine um because the feminine is in its essence it’s energy it’s chaos the masculine is consciousness it’s

(16:25) space it’s time it’s the container we hold so there’s a time and a place to be the container holder to say all right we’re gonna have play time it’s gonna be from three to four like you’ve got the boundaries right you’ve got this set um but then all the magic that happens within the play time is the feminine it’s the energy so when an instance comes up when we look at our day-to-day lives when an instance comes up where you have your boundary set or your container set you know we’re gonna have green juices

(16:53) before we eat and something maybe goes astray maybe the you ran out of greens or one of the kids doesn’t want to eat the greens that might be a beautiful time to have energetic agility like you were saying in my bio like this energetic agility is a thing where we can move from being in our masculine space holding time and then moving into a place of like uh surrender that’s a great word to think about like surrendering to the moment but also indulging in it what beautiful thing can come from this instead of letting that anxiety take

(17:24) over where you you try to go even deeper into how can i control how can i control how can i control how can i control like it gives it just goes deeper and deeper and deeper there can also be this really beautiful moment where you can go into a switch and you can go into your feminine of how can i make the most beauty out of what’s already happening i had this partner who one time said this thing to me and it’s never left my my brain i love it so much but he said whatever comes up make room for it whatever comes up makes space for it

(17:53) and i think when we’re so into the control everything it’s the exact opposite yeah whatever’s coming up we’re not making room for it we’re gonna fight tooth and nail to make what our original plan was happen and it just causes resistance and friction but if we have this mindset of whatever comes up let’s make room for it oh my god like do you feel the weight coming off your shoulder just making space for that didn’t go according to the way our brains pre-planned it to go but life really rarely does yeah and then you

(18:25) create something beautiful out of what did happen instead of what we wanted to happen what did happen what is happening what can come out of that yeah i love that i’m gonna practice that yeah um i also really love the way that i’ve heard you put words to defining and organizing the ideas around feminine and masculine energies could you enlighten us and our listeners with your understanding of all that yes absolutely so before i do that i just want to tie up the um the rest of my journey and story because i kind of dropped it off

(18:56) there so i did bodybuilding for a couple years and at the very the very end of the last show i just had this moment of absolute rock bottom hood like i just hit rock bottom i realized i was miserable i just competed in a show for crying out loud not even a glimmer of being proud i didn’t have any of that it was automatically into i sucked i didn’t do good enough judges hated me i hate me and and then after i had those thoughts i thought to myself this is this is too much this is pain like this is actually

(19:28) a level of pain i don’t want to be in and from there i started getting these very natural desires like i didn’t pre-plan this it was just a natural inclination to start nurturing something and because i was so disconnected from the idea of nurturing myself at that time i had this desire to get a dog so i got a dog and i had this this thing now to take care of and to nurture then all of a sudden i wanted to move into the mountains i was like desiring groundedness and nature and beauty so i moved into the mountains and then i

(20:01) wanted to be alone and to basically retreat inward so when i look back now i started doing all these things that were naturally more in my feminine i wanted to nurture i wanted to be in nature i wanted to feed myself right and well i wanted to sleep more i wanted to go inward which is very feminine energy so all of that the the bodybuilding and going into the mountains and all of that was about six years ago and since then i’ve been peeling off layers and layers of my journey and my story and the clients that i have and

(20:31) coach trying to like really look at and dive deep what happened with all of this what was really going on it’s more than just the the need for control i think underneath a lot of that was the connotations and the understanding i had around the feminine and and i think most of us i mean we’re all raised and you know we’re typically raised in the same culture and society and there’s a lot of admiration and self-righteousness about this toxic masculine energy and so the more we move into this toxic masculine energy

(20:59) thinking that we need to hustle in order to feel our worth the more turned off and upset we’re gonna get when we feel emotion because emotion is distracting to mission and if we feel like our emotion is coming up we’re going to shun it we’re going to push it away we are going to judge it emotion is the exact thing that brings people together it’s called empathy when we see people in pain we want to be there for them if the world had more of that more empathy there’d be more healing but in order to have empathy we have to have

(21:28) emotion we have to be okay with our ups and downs so like i was saying before the feminine is energy it can be really calm and smooth like a river like going down a bank or it can be like a raging tsunami crashing everything in its path and destroying doesn’t always just mean calm energy it can be like kali goddess colleagues rage right it’s all the feminine masculine is just like this space holder so it’s basically nothingness it’s nothingness it’s like the universe when there’s nothing going in and out of it

(21:59) just there the feminine is what flows in to bring it down into terms most people will understand because i know that’s a little above and beyond masculine is like a sun energy so we think about the sun what happens when the sun comes out it’s active it’s bright we go out we do things we accomplish goals we have missions we’re like this warrior energy another way to think about it i mean while the masculine and feminine are in all of us we all have it regardless of gender the physical representation of the

(22:34) masculine is male not for everyone but typically it’s male and so male they have penises hoping i can see that’s going out that’s outward coming at ya like the sun sun is bright it’s outward and so masculine energy is very outward anything that’s masculine it’s very outward it’s going to accomplish it can be logical it can be structured it’s not rigid that’s the toxic masculine where you say we’ve got to do it this way or everything else sucks that’s rigid that’s not the pure version of the

(23:06) masculine the pure version of the masculine is the one that sets boundaries around conversation at christmas time when all the families coming in telling you how to live your life matt the pure masculine is the one that says no i won’t take on that extra shift but i appreciate you asking me sometimes the pure masculine is the energy within you that has boundaries with yourself saying no i’m not going to go there and listen to my inner critic not going to do that it’s also like meditation because in meditation you’re in

(23:34) nothingness go into the part where there’s no energy flowing all around you’re just like serene and calm and home that’s the masculine it’s also knowledge so knowledge is something that lives here stuff that we gain we go out there we learn we gain knowledge it makes us um it does make it make us wiser but wisdom lives in the body wisdom is something we have already living in our body like we as as women have wisdom from our lineage of women before us we feel it we feel this intuition it comes out whenever we are in

(24:10) dangerous situations when someone’s walking too closely behind us when we just feel an energy around someone that we’re like i don’t know how i feel about that yeah men have this too regardless of gender but i think we feel it very strongly as women because wisdom is the feminine the feminine like i said is all this energy so it’s very creative it’s um its nurturing its nourishment its softness its ease its surrender its letting go its the receptivity think about vaginas receptive it’s a very nurturing come to

(24:47) me warm energy um just like the moon so the moon if the sun is the masculine the moon is the feminine it’s about the emotional well-being going inward when we when we go retreat typically we’re not getting in touch with our masculine mindsets we’re getting in touch with our feminine bodies and how we feel in the skin we’re in because it’s inward we’re treating inward mother nature so going back to the word nourishment mother nature most of us feel something whenever we’re in nature if we’re by water we feel

(25:22) held if we’re in the woods or the forest we feel grounded we feel seen we feel taken care of so like i said both of these energies are within all of us you could think of it as yin and yang yen’s the feminine yawns the masculine you can um think about it like the sun and the moon you know or you think about it like alpha and omega some people really resonate with that more than feminine and masculine there’s like the alpha which is the go-getter and the omega which is the ease and the the setting

(25:52) back and there’s beauty in both there’s beauty and following because when you can follow and you can take you can just follow someone else that means you got all this brain capacity that can now go towards creating creativity birthing a project a lot of people have resistance around the idea of following as if it’s less than hello toxic masculine right not less than it’s just as beautiful and there are many gifts that can come from learning how to follow because then you can lead in other areas yeah both are

(26:24) necessary which is what i’m coming to find and i seem to find myself embodying a slightly more masculine energy um and as a woman i feel you know there’s a bit of a strange response that occurs when i’m embodying that role and especially depending on who i’m interacting with um so maybe do you have any insight into how women like myself who might be embodying more of that masculine energy and especially in today’s culture can go about balancing the masculine and feminine in themselves and myself can i ask you some questions

(27:01) please so i’m curious first off let’s just start with um so many places we could go okay let’s start with your relationship when people are trying to lead you anyone um i think i have resistance to you know someone trying to tell me what to do that type of thing i’m definitely less resistant now than i might have been in the past but i’ve i’ve already started doing some work on trying to balance these energies and recognizing where i where i’m you know overbearing on one end or the other

(27:41) um so i’d say that in relation to others when someone’s trying to lead me i’m usually already two steps ahead of them so it doesn’t often happen does that make sense like and i say ahead like it’s a good thing that i realize that sometimes i need to be led like i think that i also resent the people that aren’t leading me um especially the men in my life over over you know my relationships with my life or my husband now uh when i’m not feeling like led i almost resent them for not taking that

(28:18) position first but i’m also not making space for that position right happening for them so yeah yeah totally and there’s probably a feeling within you this is what i find um we want our partners to do something but we know we can do it better ourselves we can get it done we can get it done faster we can get it done better we can make sure it’s done right so we do it and then we create the resentment for them not doing it not being the kind of not being the kind of man that’s what we might say in our head you’re not the

(28:47) kind of man who would do it do it right so i’ll just do it myself so this is a beautiful place to start i have i have two teachers i’ve worked with over the past eight months one of one of their names is kendra kunov and she gives this really beautiful example here about how we as powerful women we’re all powerful women here we know how to do things we know how to pick the restaurant we know how to to get the right cereal we need at the grocery store we can do all of it correctly and so that’s what makes this

(29:18) so much better is that we’re not actually helpless we’re not helpless we can help ourselves but if we want to calm our nervous systems so our nervous systems right now are probably very much in a space of must go do must do most people are men and women we must do to feel calm so my nervous system back in my past whenever i felt anxiety i would need to have numbers to feel safe to calm my nervous system so i had to go through a period where i retrained my nervous system to feel safe and letting go maybe that meant crying maybe that meant

(29:54) seeing a therapist maybe that meant learning to do yoga and train my nervous system to move its body instead of counting calories because that was a way for me to feel calmer so for for you and for me and for any woman who’s listening who isn’t giving your partner a chance as kendra my teacher says we must let them lead badly we have to get ready for them to lead badly at times not to do it perfectly especially if they’re now having to relearn and they might be nervous because they’re afraid they’re going to

(30:28) mess up so this is something we have to predetermine going into it whatever happens the outcome i’m sovereign in my choice i’m making the decision to take a step back i’m making the decision to let him do it i’m gonna let him do it badly and we have to hold on to that the entire duration of never punish him or bring it back you know a month later we’ll remember that one time you didn’t do it right that’s what sovereignty is all about being in our personal power making a decision standing in it fully

(30:55) so one of the things that kendra talks about and and her teaching and the teaching that i learned is from the lineage of david data if you are familiar with him at all he’s wonderful so one thing that you can do is just one example i just love whenever you’re picking a place to go eat and you might be absolutely certain that you want to be eating italian food one night or you know exactly the restaurant you want to be eating at but this is a beautiful opportunity opportunity to let him lead and you learn how to be guided because

(31:28) maybe he knows something you don’t quite know maybe he knows that actually what you would really love tonight even if you’re not thinking about it you’d love sushi i just know sushi would be good for you and so there’s times where we have to let go and and just imagine that there is a part of him that is the divine because that is true there’s a part of your partner there’s a part of every person that is god so when you struggle to trust him trust god within him trust the divine within him trust that

(31:56) that part of him the divine knows something that you quite don’t yet yeah so what kendra talks about is something called sacred helplessness so we in moments when we’re ready to let him lead have to take on something called sacred helplessness where we pretend to be helpless we don’t know so if he’s to say to you where do you want to go eat tonight you say i don’t know i have no idea what i want to go eat i really don’t know i’m so tired and then he says well no you pick you you know what you like

(32:29) to eat you go ahead because maybe you always know and then you you continue to say no i don’t know you hold it you continue to not know eventually he will think of something and when he says something you reward him with your energy you’re with your feminine the feminine is oh i love that idea that’s great italian sounds wonderful sushi sounds wonderful and so basically you you shower him with your excitement and joy something that the feminine is great at all the energy i love that idea you give that to him he

(33:02) gets the surge of like feeling great i led her i led her to a restaurant decision um and this is a very small instance but the sacred helplessness can can be something you can use whether it’s food whether it’s even a business decision possibly if there’s something that is flexible timing on something you letting you deciding okay tonight i’m going to let go of needing to be the time holder i’m not going to check my watch i’m going to let him do it and if we’re late tonight to this thing i’m sovereign i’m making

(33:34) the decision that being late is okay okay but i’m going to let him be the one to get us in the car get us to the party on time i am making the conscious decision to not be the one to constantly tell him what time is it are we on time i’m letting go yeah and then you just give yourself full permission to let go to basically fake helplessness yeah for for the betterment of y’all’s relationship to create polarity to create a follow following position and a leaning position yeah i’m gonna ask you more

(34:05) about that the omega the alpha omega you know paradigm there but i wanted to say maybe three different things so this reminds me like what you’re explaining here of going into a circumstance um with someone who you’re trying to in essence allow space for them to become more alpha right uh and going through the messiness of them figuring out how to do that and how it’s going to fit in their own lives and then how because you’re partnered with them how it’s going to fit into your life as well

(34:39) reminds me of a saying we say on this podcast a lot which is seek the pain for positive gain so like go through the the ugly learning part or you know all the trial and tribulation that comes with that in order to get to the other side so i really love that and uh the tip about having him pick food is definitely a good one but i could see some angriness coming into play like you don’t know you really don’t know it’s just turning into a whole other thing but i’m definitely going to try that um so maybe bring a snack yeah definitely

(35:12) bring a snack be prepared snacks i don’t know you want some gummy snacks yeah go ahead mercedes oh i was gonna say that i third my third little thought there while you were talking maddie was because jaden and i have spent a long career now in modeling that it almost makes me cringe the idea of what you’re calling sacred helplessness to like allow that in my life because i’ve seen so many especially women in this industry you know the stereotype is there for a reason where they’re they act helpless and they’re you know a

(35:52) pretty face and that’s all that they feel like they have to be in this world and so i think that’s a big part of what’s like caused this masculine energy to rise in me as well is like i don’t want to be that girl you know like i don’t want to be the girl who who’s ditzy and and playing that card so but i totally see where this would help me leaps and bounds in my personal relationships especially yeah so can i add something there please this is important to do with the trusted alpha okay or if it feels good the

(36:24) trusted masculine this is something you have discernment around so i am not going to go into a bar by myself and be like who wants to buy me a drink i don’t know how to buy one because i know that’s setting myself up for a situation that’s uncomfortable and is going to re-traumatize the fears around being in the feminine so you’re very right we want to be we want to have discernment around when we want to be in this sacred helplessness and for a lot of people like you you you’ll find that your relationship it’s

(36:56) wherever you want to create polarity so if you want like polarity is is what creates sexual tension wow like we’d have polarity because it’s sexy like having someone pin your wrist down if you’re in a good relationship like that can be hot like you’re like surrendering and then you have someone that’s like desiring you and so it’s these little moments where we’re on the opposite ends of the spectrum someone that’s in the alpha someone that’s in the omega that can create that sexual polarity if we don’t

(37:24) want sexual polarity at work we don’t need to do sacred helplessness especially in the position you’re in but there are still ways you can experience your feminine in what you do it can be in how slow you move that’s a big one that’s been huge for me because i’m you know i’ve been talking you can see me here and i’m like wow my hands are everywhere but if i want to be feeling more into my feminine let’s say i’m coaching someone and coaching i’m very much in the masculine i’m the one

(37:53) holding the container for my client but if i want to feel more into my feminine as i’m talking to them and i don’t want to completely be in my masculine i might start moving my body very slowly it’s so small it’s so simple but it’s energy this is me moving energy around in my body rather than being still like a tree this is the masculine this is the feminine small and subtle changes but this keeps the energy moving and it makes me feel also really connected to my body or even the way you like

(38:26) reach for your chapstick like do you do it fast and rush are you doing it slowly and indulgently and those are things you can start to put into your day-to-day life because it’s not about another person leading you it doesn’t matter what anyone else does this is about you being in your feminine at the same time that you’re in you’re masculine brilliant i’m also curious about the opposite um that’s why me and mercedes are so yin and yang to each other also um so my shaman said that i seek for the masculine outside of

(39:04) myself um and everything that you’ve said makes me feel like oh i’ve got masculine because i’m i like to have such a schedule you know at home but um yeah what is your advice for someone who maybe feels a lack in that in the masculine instead that’s such that’s so great because if someone wants to feel more into their feminine you also have to almost first have a strong masculine container i was i was thinking of this metaphor it’s kind of weird but maybe it’ll resonate with people and then we’ll go into what

(39:38) you’re sharing but imagine if you’re like on this island that’s like a cliff island like you’re in the middle of water you’re on an island but it’s a cliff entirely around it and what if someone blindfolded you and was like now dance be free dance would probably just like want to stand you wouldn’t really be dancing you kind of be standing still keeping your arms and you’d be kind of scared you’d die but if someone or you were you asked can you please put a very sturdy strong fence

(40:11) around the entire cliff that will secure my safety and they said yes then you’d be free to dance you know you’re safe that’s kind of what it’s like whenever we go full on out into the feminine of like feeling everything if we don’t first feel held and safe it’s really scary and to go into the depths of our feminine of the energy of the ups and downs and the emotions because we don’t know is do i have myself am i safe here will i get out of this so in creating your masculine this looks

(40:45) quite a few different ways one of them that is that’s served me and served a lot of my clients is actually having designated time to go into your feminine meaning you set up a container you have a start time and you have a stop time so you know for the next 10 minutes i’m gonna go full on out with my rage towards my mother i’m going to pound my pillows i’m going to scream all the profanities they ever could want towards her towards me i’m going to let out my inner brat i’m going to throw a

(41:15) tantrum and then in 10 minutes you have a really beautiful alarm that goes off and you know to stop and you know you’re leaving it there you got it all out the table that is one way to set up a container for you to feel everything you need to feel that is a practice that’s great because it can be intentional you can set it you can say i know i’m gonna do this but then there’s like the other instances right called life where you’re just feeling a little bit triggered and you’re looking for someone

(41:42) else’s validation that what you feel is right or you’re looking for someone else to tell you what to do and these ones are you you do the designated practice to feel so that later when life happens and instances like this happen you know to slow down and breathe and go inward rather than looking for someone else to tell you everything is fine and this takes time it takes time to learn your yes and learn your no it learn it takes time to learn how to hold your own hold your own energy hold your own emotions

(42:15) be your number one supporter and i think that’s really that masculine energy of i always come back to thinking of boundaries of saying this is not okay and it’s hard especially as women like we yeah not many of us were taught how to create boundaries as children yeah most of us might have had like an idea of what a boundary would be but it was always crossed over if you have parents that were controlling so i’m just curious like what might be an example where you feel you struggle with having holding it for yourself and

(42:53) looking for it externally hmm i know i’ve always struggled with boundaries um but as far as how i look for it outside of myself maybe [Music] maybe feeling protected and feeling um validated maybe would be my two guesses um i didn’t have a father growing up so that may have come into play like um never feeling like i had that protector or someone who was gonna be there when my heart was broken so maybe it’s that like a protector when it comes to life’s pain um someone who was gonna feel things with me maybe

(43:48) would be my guesses yeah and i wanna i wanna make it very clear i 100 believe that as humans we’re here for connection with others not one of those coaches that’s like you have everything you need within you you don’t need anything else outside of you we are here for connection it’s crucial we’re we’re primal beings who thrive off of having another person in our life or many people in our life a tribe a community a partner yeah we need a degree we need that and that i would say i think that’s just

(44:22) the next layer like that then having their love their support their them holding you that’s all enriching and enlivening and and nourishing but there’s the baseline we first want to also have of doing that for ourselves because there will be times and periods where maybe you’re in a fight with your partner and you really have to be there for yourself because they physically can’t or maybe they’re long distance and they’re not there for you and you have to also learn how to validate your emotions

(44:53) and i think for women often one of the keys for that is not overthinking it second guessing it and backpedaling saying something i feel this way and then later being like never mind i don’t feel this way it’s it’s fine because you just overthought the entire thing and you betray yourself you abandon yourself when you do that yeah so those the the way that we as the feminine often time we like to complicate things we like to backpedal out of a feeling that we have because we second guess the feeling with

(45:24) logic well a and b shouldn’t equal c so i shouldn’t feel this way i think the the warrior within the masculine within lets all of that overthinking go and instead says this is how i feel i’m setting a boundary with myself to not let myself overthink this and i’m just gonna be with this feeling and that’s when you have your practice where you have 10 minutes to feel the emotion all out you get out of the head you get into the body and you nourish your need to feel and validate whatever’s coming up for you by

(45:57) expressing it and that’s how it’s released and rinsed out yeah i love that idea of that practice yeah yeah so what’s at play when we’re we’re in our own like pity party or when we’re playing the victim card yeah is that more masculine or feminine energy that’s coming out that’s so there’s the mask on the feminine and there’s toxic of each okay and so i think i think that’s the toxic feminine of because it’s not being sovereign like a lot of time like kind of going back to

(46:25) the example of the resentment that can build whenever um our partners don’t do what we want or if we’re single and we go into the story of this always happens to me i always date this kind of person this kind of person we act like we didn’t make the choices and decisions and instead of simply being with the pain of oh this sucks this sucks i’m going to feel my emotion i’m going to feel it fully i’m going to cry i’m going to have a whole day to myself where i just feel my pain that’s not a pity party that’s just

(46:56) feeling your pain yeah the pity party happens when you say this always happens to me i’m not empowered this this they the world’s doing this to me because you may made the decision to date this person to see this person you made the decision to put your heart on the line yeah that’s it that’s a key it yeah breaking up with the victim yeah you in the moment like you made the decision to put your heart out there so there’s always the opportunity it can be hurt but it’s not because this always happens

(47:27) to you it’s because nothing’s really in control so are we really ever the victim then are we is it we’re all i know we’re always creating our own reality but i feel like sometimes um we can take that too far and then we become the doormat or the um we’re manipulated easily because we’re like i refuse to be the victim i did this you know myself and oh well that has that has um that’s not always the case for sure if someone was raped or harmed that you are the victim and it’s not this that would not be an

(47:59) instance where you go well i did this to myself i walked outside the door i asked for this and i’m in control yeah like they’re the victim mindset absolutely has a time and a place and a purpose and it’s important to feel that to understand something was done to you because then that can be a whole nother problem whenever you go i’m doing all this to myself i’m manifesting my life i’m manifesting this pain and hurt [Music] so i’m glad you asked that question because i do like to make that clear

(48:26) yeah being a victim is a thing being a victim it’s important to learn to differentiate the two and even someone who may be dating a narcissist or a sociopath and it’s just they they can tend to because what you’re saying is really good but we can get in that mode of like well i’m just playing the victim card and then our partner can use that against us too instead of letting us you know feel her see here’s the things that are boundaries once you realize that if you continue in the relationship and

(48:56) you go go further then you are choosing to go into the story the moment you realize there is abuse what’s the sovereign choice to do is to leave and if you stay you have a responsibility if you stay and you every day wake up and go this always happens to me this always happens to me yes because you are re-traumatizing yourself by every day consciously choosing to be in a relationship where you know this is going to continue to happen that’s good oh maddie we needed this so i need to be a fan girl for a minute and

(49:33) say that uh the ideas of sexual polarity including the alpha omega paradox that you already touched on a little bit have um that you’ve relayed also in your in your own podcast and wherever i’ve heard you speak about it have effectively seeped into my life um after listening to you and like i was saying earlier i’ve put you know a little bit of work in how i can integrate that into my life wherever wherever i can um so i guess i just want you to touch on that for our listeners and give us you know your description in your

(50:14) beautiful words of of the idea of sexual polarity and how that all works into our lives the alpha omega paradox all that good stuff especially how we can use those to better balance them you know in our relationships yeah um okay so basically like a summary of all of this yeah okay so um there have been [Music] thousands of years as women where we have had to protect ourselves thousands of years where we couldn’t protect ourselves thousands of years of being dismissed beaten sold raped whatever is going on and it is no wonder that in our nervous

(51:03) system we feel a need to be in control to be safe to put up a guard to put up a barrier and because of this there’s a lot of this energy of always feeling like we need to be in control we need to be in control this is not and this is not very healthy for us let’s just look at us this isn’t very healthy for us because where is the room for us to let go and to surrender and to be receptive and to receive love and to be safe and to be creative right creativity in order for it to blossom and bloom there needs to be an

(51:37) element of safety you can’t be creative and expressive and expansive when you feel like you’re on the verge of dying you know because that’s what’s happening in your nervous system it’s like at any minute i could be hurt or die and i need to like constantly be on alert when we feel safe the creativity can blossom and bloom and in relationship it’s a gift for us to be able to let go to follow oh my gosh following is so rich it’s so beautiful because when we feel taken care of we feel

(52:07) guided and we’re with someone we can trust that’s the key it’s not just anybody it’s the trusted partner when we feel like we can follow not only are we being able to let go so we can use all that brain power to think about what we want to write in our next blog post or think about the book we want to read to our kids at night or what we want to cook for dinner our creativity can bloom we’re also getting back in touch with our bodies because we’re no longer in the brain so we’re more in touch with our bodies our

(52:34) sensuality when we go into that place we’re obviously being really nourished getting back in touch with our bodies feeling our feelings it’s very nourishing it’s also very nourishing for our partner because he gets to step up and lead which is great for the masculine they love leading he gets to step up and lead he gets to know he’s taking care of someone that feels good for him it feeds him and then he sees you more in your sensuality that feeds him so whenever you are in on the polar opposites there’s this alpha there is

(53:07) this omega the space in itself creates it’s a bridge to cross esther perel i think talks about this but it’s a bridge to cross the polar um opposites it forms a bridge and that creates the sexual i don’t use the word tension but like that’s what it is sexual attention um and it’s the feminine the masculine and i think that when you have decisiveness around where you want to have this dynamic and sometimes it can be in partnerships like i’m sure y’all too have experienced this before one of you may really be

(53:41) feeling more of that creative surge but for you to be able to go into that creative realm someone else needs to take control of the time you’re meeting the guests or the time y’all are having a podcast when it’s going live all of that so this can happen in partnerships this can happen romantically sometimes this happens in our own family units with our our mom and dad letting your dad lead for a second you just kind of sit back and relax if you are going out to eat as a family right so um in my own life this has helped me

(54:12) mostly it’s definitely served my relationships but this has helped me a lot as a woman just to have time when i can let go and i can stop being totally in control especially with clients like it’s just it’s so important to have off times or the resentment will build but having to be it for everyone so it protects the relationships because it protects either party from going into the land of resentment you get back in touch with your feminine body which is rewarding for you and it’s rewarding for him

(54:42) i love that yeah that’s that’s so powerful i i know i’m integrating it into my life and i want it faster but that’s right i i need to do it all night and i’m also like my brain is constantly like telling me all these ways i need to apply it i know like my partner always says i need to let him lead more um but as a woman it’s like then it’s not gonna get done like you know like or it’s not going to get done as fast as it could because we’re such multitaskers we can get it done so much

(55:12) faster and so much more efficiently at times so we feel um and then i think mainly for me i just need to let go of a lot of um we’ve been together for a couple years but we’ve had two toddlers in a failed business so um i need to let go of a lot of conflict that has happened in order to trust him to leave because the more conflict that happens the more your guard is up you know and um so you can tend to be in flight or fight mode and you’re not going to let anybody lead when you’re in that mode so and i

(55:42) can see in my own life currently that um we’ve gone through this time where you know where you’re the breadwinner and then your partner is in this place where he’s needing to be creative and come into his own you know figure out what is his uh rise is gonna be like you know and then now it’s kind of transitioning for me where he’s finally getting into the the spin of how that’s going to work you know play out for him in his life and that’s allowing me to feel a little more secure especially financially i think

(56:13) there’s a really big correlation to you know finances of course in a marriage or a serious relationship that takes so much stress and strain to focus on that when you’re the person focusing on it you are not able to get into you know it feels unsafe if you are financially unstable so you have to like you’re saying maddie earlier you have to focus on that in order to um put food on your table and everything else but that takes away from your ability to be creative and to feel you know that that relaxing

(56:47) that comes with um being secure yeah yeah i just wanted to i just wanted to add like both of these are so beautiful these insights of how this conversation is applicable to all’s lives and i just wanted to add jade with what you were saying about um him not doing it fast enough or not doing it right like the thing that i always come back to is is like i was saying earlier find god within him because when he drives you crazy fine just find the part that’s god and it like you’ll feel your heart soften when you just like you can’t love

(57:22) him love god in him yeah because there’s a part of him that is god and then also like if he is late or doesn’t do something right sometimes it’s fun to just think like well maybe that’s exactly what’s going to liberate something within me maybe he’s doing this incorrectly and if i learn how to let go and let things be incorrect maybe that’s going to open up something and free something within me more than if he had done it right i love that sometimes that’s what we need we need to be done wrong so we can face

(57:51) that and learn how to still love life whenever things are perfect our guest um tom shadyac one of his big messages in our episode with him was everyone is go everyone is god in drag and drag like this guy’s in drag and it’s so funny to think like when he said that i think i applied it to everyone but my partner so it’s you know it’s easy to apply it outside the home and then you just uh you know tend to slack inside yeah and that piece of that definition of how to move between the alpha and the omega

(58:26) and using that term again being energetically agile i think is such a important part to remember too that when you’re listening you know when listeners are hearing what we’re saying here or if hopefully they’re understanding what you’re putting across here maddie that they understand that it’s not that you have to go to one extreme or the other it’s that you need to find places in your life where moving into one of those energies or the other is what’s going to serve you and your partner and your relationships best

(58:52) i think that’s a what i took most away from it is that you can move in between these you don’t have to reside in one or the other yeah yeah london angel winters has a book called um awakening the the gut the everlasting love for the young woman yes that’s it and she talks all about energetic agility in that that’s the first time i’ve read that phrase and so if anyone is interested in that because there are times where your partner if he is typically the alpha will want to be an omega and needs to be

(59:27) an omega and then that’s when we do the energetic agility then we go into alpha so he can let go and take a bubble bath and have food ordered for him and rest so that’s a really great book for anyone that wants to dive deeper into those two the energetic agility part that book literally arrived at my door as i was setting up for this episode so really oh my god it’s such a good book i love everything been in my cart forever and then we booked her as a guest so i was like okay i’m gonna go ahead and uh

(59:55) yeah yeah you’re gonna love it i can justify now um so each week at the end of our show um we both uh mercedes and i do a segment where we relay a magic trick in which we describe some tool or practice for our listeners to implement into the lives if they choose um and knowing that you have some incredible practices and teaching in your arsenal i thought i’d ask you if you have any magic you’d be open to sharing today any tools practices tools and practices i mean i don’t want to be one of the people that are just like meditation

(1:00:35) but i will say i’ll be specific about it vedic meditation i was someone who could not meditate and i just kind of let go of the idea of meditating i just got my like little 300 meditation badge so i’ve done 300 now of these vedic meditations wow it’s life-changing for any woman who’s listening who’s masculine minded and perfectionistic vedic meditation especially for the kind that thinks you can’t meditate vedic is the kind that you use mantras and sound and it’s very sacred so you’ll have a

(1:01:08) teacher give you your mantra you do a four day thing with them you never speak of it or share your mantra it’s like very private and sacred wow that is my number one tool in my life because not only has it helped me to be slower and like clear but it has done all the hard wiring and rewiring and work for me it’s effortless that’s the beautiful thing about vedic meditation it goes in it does all the different like pathway rewiring whatever the things are that happens in your brain when you meditate but it’s so effortless

(1:01:41) all you have to do is your mantra and yeah it shows the difference in your anxiety like i used to be very anxious and that combined with cbd oil and dancing like those are the three things yes my team now love those magic tricks so so i love all three meditations similar to like a transcendental practice okay i don’t know the exact difference the thing that i think is a little bit different is transcendental meditation feels more corporate more packaged programmed up more seminar like every time i’ve done

(1:02:14) my i’ve gone to vedic meditation um houses that’s really all i could say because they we have circles and houses it’s just like drinking tea and sitting on sheepskin rugs and we talk about um consciousness it’s not corporate at all it’s really like rural feeling um really eastern feeling it feels more in touch with the ancient traditions and uh whereas from what i’ve seen transcendental looks a little bit more packaged up and it seems it’s going in that direction unfortunately huh right um

(1:02:51) i was gonna yeah i was gonna ask about a little magic trick that i’ve taken from you which is your practice if you could explain what that is yes so a pleasure practice is a time where you maybe it like you set a container again like you’re masculine you set the container of 10 minutes but you go into embodying whatever emotion is already coming up with combining it and combining it with pleasure so a lot of times our brains like to separate any emotion from feeling good like if we feel anger we don’t feel pleasure for

(1:03:25) anger angry we’re full-on angry but what if you could learn how to be angry and also not abandon your pleasure your god-given right to feel good in your body so in a pleasure practice again this was taught to me by kendra you will set aside 10 minutes of time to put on music set the container put down your sheepskin rug light candles put on music you really really really love or represent whatever emotion you’re in maybe you’re angry maybe you need to put on a rage playlist but you move your body indulgently

(1:04:02) expressing this emotion but also feeling something in your body that feels really good so maybe as you’re going deep into the place in your heart that feels pain you’re also doing hip circles and you’re also touching your face ever so lightly because that feels really good on your skin maybe you have a window open you feel the sun coming out on you and you’re really in touch with the warmth you feel on your body and that pain so you could be feeling a whole bunch of sensations at once and it might be kind

(1:04:32) of confusing but the point of it is to get in the body and out of the head to be in the pleasure with whatever else is naturally coming up rage happiness joy confusion ego whatever’s there and also learn how to feel pleasure and not abandon pleasure in your skin i love it and to that idea of feeling pleasure and pain at the same time is there this is a total segue um not on our list of questioning so i’m gonna go rogue but because we’ve been talking to a lot of other guests previously about open relationships and it seems like such a

(1:05:10) painful thing that my ego goes hell no at the same time the way they explain it is you know it also gets you to realize that you can love others while loving someone you know you can love many people at once um and you’re asking your or you’re giving your partner permission to experience as much love as possible but in order to do that you have to be able to hold the pain of whatever the ego brings to that at the same time is feeling love for your partner your significant partner and any others that you bring in

(1:05:43) what are your thoughts on open relationships um i so i come from like the acro yoga community and a lot of them are in open relationships so i’ve seen it i’ve got you know a lot of people in my circle have open relationships not for me because i’m a leo and i’m a queen and i want my kids and i’m very like you’re mine um but i i absolutely see what you’re saying and i i think that’s really beautiful and as my other friend said it takes uh emotional acrobatics to have an open relationship emotional acrobatic so

(1:06:15) you have to learn how to bounce between the feeling and the understanding and the um what’s the word called compersion whenever you conversion means you find pleasure in someone in your lover’s pleasure so you get a feeling of joy it’s a it’s a it’s a word that i know is used often in open relationships you get joy whenever you see someone else your partner enjoy so balancing all of those juggling all of those and i think that it works unless it doesn’t you know if it works and it feels good and it brings joy then it’s

(1:06:45) working so it works until it doesn’t and then i think at any time it’s important for each person to be honest with themselves about how they’re feeling in the relationship and i’m assuming you would have to have really beautiful communication skills yeah for being able to share your feelings and the other person holds your feelings and listen to you and no one feels dismissed or disregarded i do think you need to have enough space in your life yeah in order to do it it just seems like who has the time yeah

(1:07:16) so true yes so many people communicate with and feelings to hear and feelings to share so much yeah yeah um yeah not for i’m not a leo but um i i feel exactly how you feel so yeah um yeah um we also have a question from the magic mob which is our tribe of listeners david on instagram asks with so much turbulence and confusion around the term feminism currently i was wondering if you could shed some light on where you feel this word is being misinterpreted or misdirected and what might be a solution for this

(1:08:00) well i think feminism has done a lot of beautiful things in our society a lot of beautiful things like the metoo movement and speaking up and us really finding our voices i think for some people there is a misunderstanding that feminism is about and this isn’t not this isn’t everyone of course but for some people it’s that the future is female and i don’t believe the future is female i think the future is human the future is i love that it’s divine union i think the future is a we not a she or

(1:08:31) not a he and the solution to this is more unders more not even understanding but more compassion more compassion for each parties um i’m actually hosting a interview series with a with a bunch of men and it’s called trusting our men again and the interview series is all about how can we as the feminine learn how to trust our men again so that we can have divine union um so me and my one of my soul sisters nadia manla are hosting that so that we can have these conversations like for now that’s what our solution is having

(1:09:06) conversations with men to understand their side to hear how are you feeling uh repressed because there are people men coming out saying that they’re getting a lot of hate from women right now um and we don’t i don’t think that i think that that that’s called witch hunting and everyone’s pointing fingers so what we need is less pointing of the fingers more compassion more recognizing the god in each other yeah and letting go of any gender being the gender and instead looking at all of life as

(1:09:35) just human um go ahead where will we be able to find that that interview trusting our men again dot com okay i want to say yeah i don’t know why this slips from my head all the time our urls trusting our men dot com or trusting our men again.com i always slips from my head because we haven’t actually hooked it up yet but it’s coming out in um january so okay we’re almost there it’ll be coming out soon we’ll put it in our show notes yeah yeah awesome yeah uh and i just wanted to add to that or maybe

(1:10:11) double back on that that the this current rise of the feminine energy you know the rise of feminism that’s happening now maybe a good way to look at it as well is that the feminine energy like you’re explaining is this energy that allows for receptiveness you know allows for space to be held for both the masculine and feminine to exist together and be balanced so yeah in a way the rise of the feminine is really just a balancing you know of the two instead yeah instead of going so overboard because i feel

(1:10:49) like when we go overboard with it’s gonna be you know it’s this this feminine energy is gonna take over the world it’s like well the whole idea of feminine energy is to allow for the balance to happen to have the receptiveness so it’s like you can’t really take over with feminine energy and it’s the the feminine rising the divine feminine era this is for everyone this also means that men are now learning how to recognize their feelings men are learning how to stop grinding themselves in their work

(1:11:20) because they need to make more make more make more and they’re not paying attention to their kids because they’re letting work win over emotion feeling and connection so the feminine is everything it’s also about healing our planet earth so it’s not just about women rising it’s about it sounds cheesy but it’s about love rising it’s about love rising more compassion more nurturing listening truth it’s a lot of really beautiful things rising and so i want men everywhere to understand that this

(1:11:55) era is about you letting go of the beliefs that you need to be tougher stronger bigger this is for you too this is so that you’re receiving more love from your counterpart from your wife from your girlfriend from your best friends letting them become softer and also you become softer so that you can show up for yourself in a more loving way and you can show up for your relationships in a lot more loving way and your brothers to releasing that toxic masculinity i love that so much yeah so powerful there is um another question from one of

(1:12:28) our followers um that uh was from cheyenne and she asked how does the imbalance of the masculine and feminine energies play a role in creating a crisis like the hashtag metoo movement um so what do you think the question is specifically i’m a little confused on what she’s asking yeah um like with the mercedes do you have clarification on that one i’m thinking she’s asking that or if basically what we talked about here already the the imbalance of these two energies are what created the metoo movement in the

(1:13:15) first place like were we so far masculine that that was taking over what i would say to that is if if he can’t read himself he can’t read her if you know let’s assume that this is for people who aren’t trying to be malicious if he cannot read his own feelings his own body his own emotions he cannot read hers if he feels that he needs more power power power in his life because he’s living the toxic masculine he’s not going to listen to her requests right so he if if he is taking advantage of her

(1:13:53) he’s not feeling her body he’s not slowing down he’s not listening to her he’s not taking her word as truth and i think this is pretty well known um but then on her side if she’s not speaking her truth if she doesn’t if she doesn’t have that masculine energy to say boundaries and say affirm no you know or or trust her no in her yes so there’s a lot of just confusion there’s a lot of confusion of not feeling your feelings and not knowing how to speak your truth yeah and the metoo conversation is a very very very

(1:14:22) big one and long one but yeah i think as the the best way to summarize it would be that and just everything else that we’ve talked about there’s just this toxic culture of doing more being more gaining more power and for as long as we are more concerned about things like that and looking externally to feel powerful and finding our power through what we um conquer right external conquerings um there’s going to be a dismissal of people’s voices a dismissal of um truth and a neglecting of caring about their

(1:14:57) emotions and their feelings hopefully that answers that question yeah yeah i think so yeah i love that answer um i was gonna move on to this pick your poison that we have from jessica on instagram she asks would you rather go back to age five with everything you know now or know now everything your future self will learn i’ll go back to age five for sure i know everything that i know now that’d be amazing yeah i wouldn’t want to know everything up front that i would soon learn okay that’s what she’s that’s what she

(1:15:35) was asking right the second one yeah yeah age five everything you know an hour i like the mystery i like you know if i was at age five because then what would i learn at age six seven eight nine like i would know all of that so the future is still a mystery and i like that yeah i think you you gain more that way for sure yeah yeah i i think i i pick the same thing um you’re really good at articulating your answer so whenever you say something it’s like all my feelings are like like my i don’t know the

(1:16:10) avocado became guacamole or vice versa i don’t know um but um how did you get to the point where you do articulate so well was it through reading a bunch of books or um i think slowing down is really key that vedic meditation has helped me a lot i’m telling you yeah it has helped me a lot with with forming my or i would i would say creating a connection between what i’m feeling in a moment and then my brain like how do i articulate what i’m feeling in this moment and slowing down you know like letting myself first feel into a

(1:16:52) question think about how that question makes me feel and sometimes it sounds strange but i will like read what i am saying before i say it out loud i’ll like read it along yeah because i stutter a lot and i can talk way faster than what i am thinking so i can stumble over my words sometimes so that helps me to slow down if i’m actually reading what i’m saying out loud yeah um and i think my podcast as well i’ve had my show for five and a half years so it’s a lot of talking it’s a lot of talking about the same things

(1:17:27) too and learning new ways to say it and then also with my coaching i think coaching has helped me a lot because i hear their internal workings and i can slow down and feel into what would serve them the most with what they’re going through and then i have all these different people with different flavors and i learned different ways to say the same thing pretty much because it always comes back to more love more feminine more masculine more boundaries more spirit is all of that also how you cultivated such a deep relationship with your

(1:17:59) intuition yeah i was going to ask the same thing jade [Laughter] i i think that’s um the whole back peddling thing has been really powerful for me not backpedaling i had a boyfriend tell me that a long time ago he was like stop backpedaling because i’d say something and then i second guess it you’d be like nope no backpedaling nope you said that stick with it and even though he was doing it and in regards to where we were going to go eat or something like that i started to apply it into my life so rather thinking of intuition being

(1:18:33) something black or white there’s a right there’s a wrong i would say there’s only a right now my first answer was this one so let’s just test out going with it saying it’s the right one with quotations and then seeing what happens and typically there’s no dire consequence so my intuition has become whatever whatever i say in a moment whatever i feel in that moment and allow myself to change my intuition an hour later five minutes later it can always change but in any given moment i like to go

(1:19:02) with my first response and say that’s the one i’m gonna stick with and no back pedaling and then see what happens get curious about it what happens if i say no to this and i don’t go to the party what if i say uh the certain answer to this question instead of saying there’s so many answers which one will i pick i trust that whatever comes to me first is the one that needs to be spoken i love that um boulder’s psychic institute teaches um like to picture a gauge in your mind to like clear yourself of all thoughts

(1:19:33) picture a gauge like a gas gauge kind of an or scale whatever works for you and then ask like how much of this is most is beneficial to me or how much of this is my emotion speaking and not my um like highest self and then you let that gauge read for you and then and basically they teach that that gauge is your intuition answering very cool yeah i like it it’s a fun tool and uh speaking of intuition i have been recently listening to some of your stuff on intuitive eating because i know that’s like you know

(1:20:13) where your journey began and or not began but that’s where your first portions of your podcast took you to right um yeah that’s some powerful stuff that i i think i need to continue to do some research on and figure out how to implement into my life because i’ve had a crazy journey with you know trying every diet to figure out what not so much for weight loss but more for um how i feel like just feeling better and my digestion being better yeah so thank you for all you’ve offered there and i know if i even ask you a question

(1:20:48) regarding that we’re gonna get into a whole nother podcast so i feel like we need to just have you on it so just go listen to hers too yeah exactly all right so there’s a few short questions we like to ask everyone who comes on the show first off what advice would you give your 25 year old self maddie 25 was two years ago so probably would say um you’re not going to marry him so don’t spend so much time obsessing over him and what to do you’re not going to marry me that’s where i was at 25 like this was

(1:21:23) he the one is he the one is he the one none of those guys were the ones so i would have all this other time to just like let go and like enjoy the journey of the dating rather than focus so much on if i was going to marry that person or the next person yeah i love that a lot of 25 year olds need to hear that yeah i did so the next question is if you could have the whole world read one book which would it be oh um [Music] i would say most likely i would say the untethered soul it’s been a while since i’ve read it but

(1:22:05) i remember that was one of the first times when i got a perspective on looking at my emotions in a different way and it helps me to feel my emotions more because i wasn’t so immersed in them and it’s really really powerful i know this is a top top you know in the top three favorite books for a lot of spiritual coaches and have you all read it yeah i own it but i haven’t i have probably read the first or two chapters but i have not finished it so i need to pick it back up i’ve read it twice and i feel

(1:22:34) like i i’ve read it twice because i’m trying to connect with it as much as some people have expressed they’ve connected with it you know it like i said some one person’s articulation of a subject might be totally different than the next and it’s going to be received by whoever’s watching listening and reading it differently and for me it was more like the power of now spoke really deeply to me i could list a million other books but um untethered soul i got some great pieces out of it but it wasn’t you know

(1:23:05) just wasn’t one that was fully i was fully on board with yeah i read his second book his other book and i did not like that one wow i stopped reading it didn’t i didn’t even yeah it bothered me for some reason but i loved the first one but yeah that’s really true a lot of books that i actually recommend to my clients don’t resonate with them it’s really funny i’m like this is the best book ever and they’re like i don’t really connect with it at all yeah okay well try this one so

(1:23:29) i think too it’s like a time that we read it right and it’s like could even be hormonally when we’re reading it when we first start it and then once that’s set in stone totally just we can get the rest yeah um okay jd what’s your you got the next one all right if you could whisper one phrase to everyone on the planet what would it be deeper than no deeper than yes when you deeply say no to something you’re deeply saying yes to something better hmm i love that you were ready yeah i love it so much it’s it just like

(1:24:07) speaks to my soul gives me empowerment to say no i love that so much um well maddie before we let you go where can people find you and your work you can find me at maddiemoon.commaddymoon.com and i’m also on instagram madelinemoon m-a-d-e-l-y-n and you can find my podcast mind body musings on itunes stitcher and spotify and that’s about it cool awesome well thank you so much this has been a pleasure maddie yeah thank you so much thank you for having me this has been so much fun so in depth so juicy thank you

(1:24:44) yeah so if you follow those instructions that you did for the sound check it’ll just get the audio over to our producer and then um before we air this and after listening back to it we’ll decide if it’ll be two parts or one part um but before we air it we’ll send you some of the like little promo videos we’ve made and make sure they’re cool with you and um yeah yeah that sounds great this was so fun thank you both for having me and just diving deep with me this was great i’ll be happy to share it with my tribe

(1:25:12) of course and yay thank you and all that stuff yeah thank you thanks for taking the time it was really really great and yeah seriously we are big fans so yeah thank you thank you so much maybe we’ll get to have you on about intuitive eating or some other subject totally i’d love that i love jamming about that cool awesome um so uh our um our pr you have our producer’s email yes adam redfox yeah of course you do okay awesome all right thank you so much maddie talk to you later good rest of the weekend thank you bye

(1:25:48) let’s see okay that was good yeah super good i think uh she sounded great all right cool i mean she had a pro mic so i know that’s what a difference huh mm-hmm um okay you act like she just got off yeah that was pretty damn cool i’m so excited that we are sharing this with our magic mob i think you guys are i don’t know if you heard what i heard you’re gonna move mountains with her information so yeah i it’s um i feel like i have a lot of homework yeah which is the hard part right hearing it

(1:26:28) is is fine and jolly but the homework is the yeah and as much stuff as i’ve already listened to of hers i was literally writing notes during our whole episode like i’m gonna have that i’m gonna have to implement that yeah um well what uh what do you have today for a magic trick a little bit of magic let’s see okay so i have how to uh how to feel seen by others and quickly um so i’m sure we’re all familiar with what it’s like to meet someone who you you know hit it off with right off the bat so my theory is

(1:27:06) that when you can feel seen by someone and can simultaneously make them feel seen by you that’s where this spark of love happens that we’re all craving in relationship in interaction with others and by the way this goes for both like platonic and romantic relationships so firstly in an interaction with a new person you’ll or even with a you know old friend or family member for that matter you’ll have to do the work of being open and listening with genuine and genuine as the key word here empathy

(1:27:39) and interest to allow the person you’re interacting with to feel seen by you this in itself takes some practice and some work and maybe you know i’ll get into that in another time for a different magic trick but for now i want to focus on the other end of this theory which is giving people a way to make you feel seen by them this is kind of like the fun part right because it’s about you might be a little bit self-centered but i really think that this is this is the the way what i want to say here might sound a

(1:28:14) little self-centered but i really think that the way it can play out in your life can actually be a huge tool in building your own community and tribe since those are the people that will organically connect with with you um when you’re brave enough to share in in this way you know this vulnerably in addition this will likely also make you feel extremely fulfilled by your interactions with others since in order to feel seen you’ll need to be doing something that speaks to your authentic self of course

(1:28:45) you know something that lights you up something that lets your light shine and be seen so the trick here is knowing what we want to be seen for which is sometimes the hardest part to figure out so your first step towards figuring that out is writing down hobbies that you know light you up things that you love doing maybe things that you would spend your entire day doing if you could be paid for it um those are the things that light you up those are what you’re looking for here for jade and i this is our podcast you

(1:29:21) know we love doing this it totally lights us up passionate about it so once you’ve done that now the task is being able to articulate those items and what it is about them that light you up out loud so you want to be able to say these things out like loud to a you know ideally at some point you want to be able to say them out loud to a person so that it comes across to them as exciting as it is for you so that’s where you work on this articulation write it down until it makes sense to you tell it sounds clear and clean to

(1:29:56) you and you might even practice saying this out loud in a mirror a few times so that when the opportunity presents itself you won’t be worried about getting your words out right because you’ll you’ll already have you know it’s already something that lives inside you anyway but because you’ve practiced it and you’ve articulated it you’ll be confident in the way it’s going to come across to someone who’s willing and ready to receive it and so when that opportunity presents itself

(1:30:20) you’ll be ready willing to share what lights you up and your tribe will recognize you keyword recognize you when you share this part of you with them because they’re ready and willing too they’re out there you just need to be able to like put it out there what’s that saying about luck like when you meet someone who really lights you up or you meet someone who is part of your tribe um you might say it’s so lucky i met this person but the reality is it’s all about where opportunity and um preparedness

(1:30:53) meet each other that’s the definition of [ __ ] right so if you can have those ready for for your um tribe and then all they have to do is recognize you it’s going to be magic people yeah i love that um i feel like i i feel like i have applied that magic to my life um yeah and mine isn’t uh too too different as far as like your first step but um mine is just to set up a morning routine with you know maybe putting those things into it um write it write down that routine like what you have in mind and put it by your

(1:31:31) bed till you have it memorized because what you focus on in the mornings is going to set your tone for the rest of the day so you want to set up a routine that empowers you supports you and fortifies you and gets you in the right you know mode for the rest of your day this can be as simple as expressing gratitude before your feet hit the floor um not picking up your phone until you’ve read a few pages of a book maybe or a dance party with your kids which is my personal favorite um sorry downstairs neighbors

(1:32:00) um a few sun salutations like that always feels awesome right um but whatever starts your day off right for you maybe what maddy said the vedic chanting the pleasure practice you know um or you know another tip that could be extremely beneficial is while you’re doing any of these things try to recall your dream from the night before and think on what it may be trying to reveal to you you can implement that into your morning routine um yeah don’t let text or emails or rush morning set your tone start it off

(1:32:34) intentionally love it yeah i don’t do that enough i do feel like i get on my phone and then well i started putting my phone in the in the other room that way i can’t actually just pick it up when i get up to see the time i just i wear a watch if i have to and i just i get up and i do one of those things first i think because i use my phone as my alarm and unfortunately sometimes i have to wake up to an alarm but that’s what this fitbit works as an alarm yeah like vibrates to wake me up and then i i

(1:33:04) don’t i honestly don’t need my phone in the room well here’s what i need to do i think i’m going to put my alarm you know how you can label your alarm the alarm’s going to say don’t look at your phone for the first 30 minutes or something like that so that as soon as i wake up to go turn it off it reminds me good idea to do it yeah that’s a good idea all right you guys thanks so much for listening to this episode we hope that you found it just you know heartwarming and enlightening

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(1:34:05) a light thank you so much to maddie moon for being on our show today and to at rayton royal for our intro jam and of course to adam from red fox audio for producing the show stay magical friends all right send this audio to him while we rehearse file man i hope that um [Music] hope that lens works out god lord that was a terrible recording wasn’t it it’s like